Does the year of manufacture make much difference?

[Bill]

Hi Geoff,

Thanks very much for your efforts. I guess we each own a very rare boat that should fetch fabulous prices as collectors items! Should we offer a discount if someone wants the complete set of #111's?

All the best,

Bill.

[Geoff]

Bill, if you aren’t, you should be a marketing manager.

[Ozzie]

Hi Bill . It never hurts to ask …so I will. If you are at Port S you may possibly strike a buyer who wants to moor and does not want your trailer. (Or maybe wants to build a new trailer) I’m in the market for a trailer still, so I’m only at Lake Macquarie and would be happy to look at the trailer as a seperate purchase. I can come anytime usually get there within an hour. I have good crisp folding cash. I’ll even iron it to make it crisper. no price will be unconsidered. Besides this is a twin 111 trailer so may be a collector’s item

[Bill]

Hi Ozzie,

Sorry for the late reply - I need to keep a closer eye on the forum. You'll be the first to know if I do get an offer for just the boat. Regards,

Bill.

[Phil1]

Hi all
I'm new to this forum so please critique my every word. I really won't mind.
Newly purchased a tired Investigator (I'm in Western Australia) a couple of months ago and have been working on it a lot to get sail worthy.
I've attached a few pics in an effort to date my boat "Yutori". It was previously named Bay B Blu. Its getting such a refit that I figured I could indulge myself and rename her. Full accolades to all previous owners whilst I'm here.

From the images you will note that it has an inboard well, no forward hatch and aluminum gunwales. The mainsail has WS11 on it in two different spots.
My question is, what does this indicate? Very early model with the inboard well and no hatch?
...and yes it is gungy around the outboard leg. I had to remove a glued piece of mat that {perhaps} reduced spray upwards and into the cockpit.
The motor has poor compression and may get replaced with a Tohatsu Sail Pro in the fullness of time. I'd like to try the existing configuration before the motor dies

[Ozzie]

Hi Phil, welcome to the forum. That’s quite a unique Investigator. As the original inboard/outboard setup was located in the starboard locker I’m assuming this was a local order mod or maybe post production by a subsequent owner. It’s not a surprising modification really as the space behind the keel seems ideally suited to doing it. I had a mate with an Endeavour 24 I used to crew on yonks ago and it had an identical setup. Worked fine but obviously reduced the cockpit space.

I’d stick with it for a while, as I usually say to new owners, it might suite your use of the boat. Probably no noisier than hanging off the back of the transom and certainly easier to use. The others great advantage of this OB setup is much better functionality of the donk in rough seas. Probably why a WA boat owner would do it. As a regular visitor to WA, I’d rather take on the Freo Doctor in full swing in your boat than mine. Transom mounted obs have a bad habit of lifting out of the water in rough seas, overreving and crunching down again sometimes with unfortunate consequences. (Like busted shear pins)

As to the boats age, usually the earliest models are noted for a single hinge on the front hatch but as yours has no hatch that doesn’t help. There were some mods for the 563s made by licensed productions in WA. Reputed to be shorter masts and in some cases no swing centreboard. Does Yutori have a swing cb?. Obviously the lack of front hatch also suits the open water conditions of WA.

Anyway Ray, our historian will probably chip in soon and may have some additional info to help. Please post some more stuff on your unique 563 and your renovation. Interesting to see interior shots to know if that is different as well.

[Phil1]

Thanks Ozzie for the reply. Still plenty to do and will post progress shots. Currently working on keel guides for the very smart, tandem axle trailer that was purchased with the boat. Have also developed a telescopic mast crutch that's easily removed once the mast is up. Not my original idea but a composite of that observed in various YouTube clips on the subject. It's ultra stable yet doesn't require anything to be permanently bolted to the boat itself (Pic attached.)

[Ozzie]

I noticed the bottom of your mast crutch in the earlier pic. Good solid engineering. As I’ve mentioned on here before there are probably no two 563s rigged or set up the same. The WA boats like yours add another unique set of variables. We have had stretched versions, in locker OB, swing keel replaced with drop keel and my Investigator has a separate front cabin with door built under the arch, creating mast step support. All by a previous unknown owner. If you scan the whole forum you’ll find Investigator ownership often appeals to inventors.

I’d like to see someone create a viable hard dodger. Emrys and I started a competition to see if we could come up with one but I think in my case old age crept up on me cant speak for Emrys

[Phil1]

I had to look up what a "hard dodger" was as I thought initially, it was the prevailing character type of Investigator owners? I think I'll get some regular sailing in before I go after a dodger. Nil sailing experience but nearly 7 decades of surfing/powerboats/living on all the islands you're allowed to in WA.
I figure there's a fit decade left in me and I need to try sailing. The Investigator is an obvious choice for my aspirations and lack of any sailing skill base.

Here's an example:
I will ask the forum for some rigging suggestions because I think I have too many fore stays(3)????? I'm thinking
One to raise the jib, one to be the forestay, one to raise potential Spinnaker??

I keep meaning to add that Yutori does have a centre-board plate. It will bend to my will and be operational in the fullness of time

[Ozzie]

As I mentioned mate, everyone is an inventor

I’ll quote myself here from a few years ago the diagram from this thread is for the Careel and forms the standard rig if such a thing is possible. The additional ss cable you have is outside of the setup shown below. I have added it to my boat as the swivel/ furling rig in the diagram has multiple failure points and it’s easy just leave it alone when replacing rigging and do one single simple safe extra forestay. Anyway… from 2021..

Careel rig

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Re: Topping lift
Post Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:13 am

“I got the unidentified block set up with my investigator also. At first I thought it was the block set up shown in the Careel diagram below even though it had a hook rather than a sister clip. The other thing that made me think it was not a Cunningham was that most Cunningham setup’s I found on the net were less complicated than that. (There was a lot less stuff on the net 16 years ago) It seemed strange that such a bulky block set up would be meant to furl up in the jib so I eventually accepted that it was a Cunningham but rarely used it.

As a further comparison, what do posters use to tension the jib halyard if using the furler. I have a small tent spring that substitutes for the block setup in the diagram. It goes around in the furled sail with no issues and gives good tension to the halyard .“